…would have bought a bed from IKEA long ago
regards, Venus
A final rule prohibits swimming with, approaching, or remaining within 50 yards of spinner dolphins. A proposed rule may establish time-area closures of select nearshore resting areas.
Like all animals, Hawaiian spinner dolphins need rest. Spinner dolphins are nocturnal feeders that perform critical resting behaviors during the day while in safe, nearshore areas. But for decades, spinner dolphins in Hawaiʻi have experienced intense viewing pressure from commercial and recreational wildlife viewers seeking close encounters with the charismatic marine mammals.
The natural behavior patterns of the animals are massively disrupted, which most people are not even aware of.
But that is over now: The USA has decided that from October 28, 2021, people will not be allowed to approach the spinner dolphins that are resident there less than 50 meters near the coast.
This new regulation will now require the public to respect spinner dolphins’ space so they can shelter undisturbed in their resting habitat close to shore.
The US government is thereby legally implementing the ban on contact between the marine mammals and us.
No swimming with, approaching, or remaining within 50 yards of spinner dolphins
This has been confirmed by the National Marine Fisheries Service, NOAA. The new law applies to swimmers, divers, boats, and also to drones that are within two nautical miles of the coast of Hawaii’s main islands and designated waters between the islands of Lāna‘i, Maui and Kahoʻolawe.
WAV Comment: The killing of hunt hounds is not new; it has happened for ages.
In the UK there was a thing known as the ‘cub hunting season’; where new hunt hounds were ‘tested’ out the innocent cubs of a fox pack to see if they had the ‘blood lust’ that was required of them.
Often, if they were found to be too docile and lack that killer instinct, then those hounds were ‘dispatched’ by the hunts – by that, we mean shot through the head and disposed of. It has been captured on video in the past.
Regards Mark
Latest:
Secret filming shows hounds being shot dead at hunt kennels
ITV is a major British television station.
Secret filming shows hounds being shot dead at hunt kennels | ITV News
An anti-hunting activist told ITV News Correspondent Rupert Evelyn the dogs are killed and “thrown away like garbage” when they are no longer “fit for purpose”
Secret cameras have recorded huntsmen shooting and killing hounds that had been used for hunting.
The pictures, filmed by anti-hunting groups the Hunt Investigation Team and Keep the Ban and shared exclusively with ITV News, is the first time footage of a hunt shooting its hounds has been shown publicly.
Hounds can be killed for several reasons including being too old to hunt, or if they get ill or injured. The practice is not illegal.
The pictures were taken at the kennels of the Duke of Beaufort’s Hunt in Badminton, Gloucestershire. The Duke of Beaufort’s Hunt told ITV News that its hounds are “humanely euthanised” if they cannot be rehomed. It added that the majority of hounds are “unsuitable for rehoming” because “they are not house-trained and have only ever been used to living in a pack environment”.
The secret footage, recorded over several periods between April and September, shows four separate examples of hounds being shot:
- In two cases, a huntsman is seen putting a gun to the head of the hound and killing it.
- In another, the hound appears to be unwell and is carried onto the grass by the hunt staff before being shot.
- Another shows the hound being shot twice, three minutes apart.
Watch the secret footage at a hunt’s kennels where hounds were filmed being shot dead – click on the above link.
Rob Pownall, Keep The Ban founder, said: “It’s some pretty upsetting footage but this is commonplace for hunts across the country. This is not an acceptable way to end an animal’s life. These hounds suffered immense pain.”The activities shown in the video aren’t actually illegal, but there’s no moral defence for what’s shown.”
The footage comes ahead of a vote later this month by National Trust members to decide whether trail hunts on its land should be banned during the next hunting season.
The National Trust suspended all trail hunting licences last year, alongside a host of other large landowners including Forestry England, following a report by ITV News about the content of webinars hosted by the Hunting Office.
Conservative MP Tracey Crouch, who is co-chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group for Animal Welfare, said the footage of the hounds being shot dead is “absolutely heartbreaking” and “distressing”.
“I don’t understand why a dog…needs to be euthanised in this way and I am sure there are much more compassionate ways of putting a dog to sleep”, Ms Crouch told ITV News.
“We have many working dogs across this country in different sectors, such as, for example, the police or army, and I doubt very much that those kinds of dogs are put to sleep with a bolt to the head, so I don’t quite understand why it is appropriate for hunting hounds to be euthanised this way.”
After watching the secret filming, Mike Jessop, a fellow of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, said that from what he saw, he did not believe the huntsmen were professionally trained in putting animals down.”There was no evidence of [the huntsperson] being veterinary trained or veterinary surgeons. The lack of use of any veterinary equipment that one would expect such as stethoscopes to ascertain the dogs were dead was just lacking”, he said.”The evidence from the video doesn’t show any illegal activity. My concern is whether there is any suffering after the shot, because nobody is being careful enough in checking the dogs are truly dead.”In one of the videos, the [hound’s] tail was still waggling very vigorously for quite some time, even when the dog was being loaded in the wheelbarrow.
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In Berlin, wolves are sighted for the first time inside the motorway ring. The debate about the wolf has reached the capital of Germany!!
The headlines from the German press:
“a wolf pack at the gates of Berlin”
“wolves only 30 kilometers from the city center”
“wolves within the Berlin ring” …
“the wolf in Berlin: when will the first child be torn, people ask”
Conservationists are happy, farmers are less enthusiastic. The hunting association is now reproaching the Federal Agency for Nature Conservation.
The most important question arises: do these strictly protected predators pose a threat?
How much wolf can Berlin take?
A wolf pack has settled west of Berlin in the nature reserve around Berlin.
About two weeks ago, two parents and four puppies ran in front of the lens of a photographer who was out and about in the 4,500 hectare nature reserve at the gates of Berlin and Potsdam for the “Heinz Sielmann Foundation”.
According to the foundation, the six animals have settled in a fenced area of around 1,800 hectares in the middle of the area – there they are largely undisturbed by humans.
The area is only around 30 kilometers from Alexanderplatz (in the center of Berlin). On Tuesday, the State Environment Agency (LfU) confirmed to the German Press Agency that the animals were wolves. Other wolf packs had not yet settled within the Berlin Ring.
It is very clear why the pack chose the protected area of all places: Here they will find everything they need. Space, water, enough food and above all: peace and quiet.
The area is actually too small for a pack, but the animals would have a lot of food there due to the high number of game.
Deer and wild boars were not enough for the animals: In August and September cracks were reported from goats and sheep grazing there.
The population is increasing, the animals go where they can find game. According to the hunting association, the game population has already been drastically reduced in this area.
“I wonder what happens when the wolf runs out of wild animals” so a hunter
“Not only do wolves deserve protection, grazing animals also deserve protection. The pastures should not be “set tables” for wolves. “ says Federal Agriculture Minister Julia Klöckner.
The Ministry of the Environment says: … “And if a wolf repeatedly ventures too close to human settlements, then it is classified as a problem wolf and can be shot.”
And I mean…“And if a wolf repeatedly ventures too close to human settlements, then it is classified as a problem wolf and can be shot.”
Apparently man is now an endangered species, badly decimated in its existence by the predators around him.
Worse still, the other species keep humans industrialized and slaughter them by the millions every day.
The useless copies are shredded by the millions….
Or how was that?
The normal ‘collateral damage’ in “beneficial” animal husbandry is 100 times greater than all wolves combined could ever cause for their survival.
By the year 2000 the wolf had been exterminated from humans in Germany.
Purely informative: The wolf is not settled but turns back by itself.
The wolf is (still) protected by European (Fauna-Flora-Habitat Directive FFH-RL, Appendix IV) law, and as an endangered animal species it has a high protection status in Germany (Section 44 of the Federal Nature Conservation Act BNatSchG).
Well… a few psychopaths with hunting license are of the opinion that they don’t have to comply with “nonsensical” laws – since 2000 there have been 64 deliberately and therefore illegally shot wolves in Germany.
The number of unreported cases is higher, because even entire packs just disappear from the scene.
No case has been resolved so far, let alone brought to court
Wolves do not practice mass animal husbandry, they either eat what is there or starve to death.
In contrast to us humans, who not only shoot animals for fun, although we do not need their flesh and skin for life at all, but enslave them, torture and brutally kill them in order to eat them.
May the family live long and in peace
My best regards to all, Venus
UK public now eating significantly less meat – BBC News
UK public now eating significantly less meat
Daily meat consumption in the UK has fallen by 17% in the last decade, a study has shown.
That reduction though is not happening quickly enough to meet a key national target, according to scientists.
The aim is to reduce the environmental impact of our diets.
This goal, set by the National Food Strategy, is based on a review of the whole UK food system – from farming and production to hunger and sustainability.
It recommends meat consumption in the UK fall by 30% over the next 10 years.
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“We now know we need a more substantial reduction,” said lead researcher Cristina Stewart from the University of Oxford.
The new study, published in the journal the Lancet Planetary Health, revealed that while most people are eating less red and processed meat compared to a decade ago, they are eating more white meat.
High consumption of red and processed meat can increase the risk of health problems including cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes, and even certain cancers.
Meat production also has a higher environmental impact – producing more planet-warming greenhouse gas emissions – than other types of agriculture and food production.
Not all meat is equal
This Oxford-based research team used data from the National Diet and Nutrition Survey – a detailed survey of the dietary habits of more than 15,000 people across the country.
This showed that daily meat consumption had reduced by about 17g per person per day.
What it did not reveal was the reason people were changing their diets. But market research in 2019 suggested that almost 40% of meat-eaters were actively trying to reduce their consumption, with many citing either health or environmental reasons.
Dr Stewart stresses that, for those who want to reduce the environmental impact of what they eat, “any reduction in meat will have an impact”.
“You don’t have to be vegetarian,” she said. “Although, in general, meat-free dishes will have a lower impact.
“But if you’re someone that eats meat every day, reducing your meat consumption by 30% just looks like having two meat-free days per week.”
There is huge variation in the environmental impact of meat; it depends on what livestock are fed and where and how the meat is produced.
This Oxford-based research team used data from the National Diet and Nutrition Survey – a detailed survey of the dietary habits of more than 15,000 people across the country.
This showed that daily meat consumption had reduced by about 17g per person per day.
What it did not reveal was the reason people were changing their diets. But market research in 2019 suggested that almost 40% of meat-eaters were actively trying to reduce their consumption, with many citing either health or environmental reasons.
Dr Stewart stresses that, for those who want to reduce the environmental impact of what they eat, “any reduction in meat will have an impact”.
“You don’t have to be vegetarian,” she said. “Although, in general, meat-free dishes will have a lower impact.
“But if you’re someone that eats meat every day, reducing your meat consumption by 30% just looks like having two meat-free days per week.”
There is huge variation in the environmental impact of meat; it depends on what livestock are fed and where and how the meat is produced.
The COP26 global climate summit in Glasgow in November is seen as crucial if climate change is to be brought under control. Almost 200 countries are being asked for their plans to cut emissions, and it could lead to major changes to our everyday lives.
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“Locally produced meat has a much lower impact than meat that has been imported,” Dr Stewart pointed out.
She and her colleagues have also been studying the effect of “environmental impact labelling” on consumer choices. They have designed experimental labels that score a product based on its greenhouse gas emissions, biodiversity loss, water-use and water pollution.
“When you don’t have the information about environmental impact of food, it’s really hard to shop with that in mind,” she pointed out.
Having the support of those we eat our meals with, the Oxford researchers say, makes it easier for us to change our diets. And the availability and prominence of meat-free food options has an effect on people’s food choices, too.
“So, for example, if you’re at a restaurant, you often see a vegetarian options ‘box of shame’ at the bottom of the menu rather than at the top with chef’s specials,” Dr Stewart explained.
The team’s ongoing study of what drives people to reduce their meat consumption has revealed some simple strategies that participants have found helpful, including:
- Trying one new vegetarian recipe;
- Making one meal in a day vegetarian, rather than going a whole day without meat;
- Reducing portion size: In a recipe that includes meat, like a bolognese, reduce the amount of meat and supplement that with lentils and vegetables.
“Hopefully this paper will help us understand the patterns and trends so we can tailor public health policies and behavioural nudges to help people choose more sustainable options,” said Dr Stewart.
WAV COP26 Links:
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Regards Mark
Stop the Grind | End Killing of Dolphins and Pilot Whales in the Faroe Islands
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The world has watched in horror as the Faroe Islands government continues to allow thousands of pilot whales and dolphins to be massacred brutally and senselessly in the Grindadráp hunts. Now is the time for change. We are calling on the Faroe Islands’ government to do the right thing and ban this outdated and cruel practice. Stand with us and be part of the global movement.
Stop the Grind | End Killing of Dolphins and Pilot Whales in the Faroe Islands
The Stop the Grind movement is based in London with members all over the world. The campaign is a partnership between Sea Shepherd and Shared Planet, an impact-focused consultancy. We bring together a global coalition of stakeholder organisations and individuals with the common interest of ending the Grind. Our aim is to show that the world no longer accepts the senseless killing and to demonstrate that the global community will not standby and watch the Faroe Islands’ government act irresponsibly in silence. We must act together to ensure that our voices are heard.
Continue reading and see all the supporters at: About Us | Stop the Grind
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Regards Mark
A terrible law for farmed animals has recently been proposed in Congress, and we need your help to defeat it!
The Exposing Agricultural Trade Suppression (EATS) Act would wipe out all the work animal activists have done to prevent sales of exceptionally inhumane animal products in states across the U.S.
If passed, the EATS Act would create a race to the bottom in terms of animal welfare standards.
It would give a commercial advantage to the cruelest, most cheaply produced animal products in the country, since the bill would prohibit states from banning any products on cruelty grounds.
This would be a huge step backward for farmed animal welfare.
We need your help to ensure that this dangerous and overreaching bill is not enacted!
Please urge your members of Congress to oppose the EATS Act using the form below.
Petition 1: (For U.S. citizens only) : https://animalequality.org/stop-eats-act/-laws
Petition 2: https://hslf.org/action-center/stop-dangerous-bill-could-wipe-out-animal-cruelty-laws
https://animalequality.org/stop-eats-act/
And I mean…The EATS act…. Sickening name for an sickening thing.
Farm animals have a shit life as it is. Why do we have to make their lives even shitter?
We cannot believe that, in 2021, U.S legislators are drafting asinine bills like this.
Like, can any decent human being read this bill and think, “yeah, great idea!”?
A good friend recently said to me: “An inner voice just repeats itself: “I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.”
But we have to – who else will take care of these things if we don’t.
Please sign and share both petitions
My best regards to all, Venus
WAV Comment:
Over the past few weeks we have been drawing some attention to the fact that NO Vegan, or plant based food is being made available to delegates at the COP26 Climate Conference taking place soon in Scotland.
Urge the COP26 Climate Summit to Serve a 100% Vegan Menu. – World Animals Voice
Taking into account that this is a climate conference, and we all know how rainforests are being destroyed by intensive livestock feedlot creation, along with the huge environmental destruction caused by animal farming; would you not think that COP26 would be the ideal place to set out a stall to support a plant based diet which is much more environmentally friendly ?
It still seems that this is not the case.
So today, 8/10/21, I have written to my own Member of Parliament (UK), to ask him to contact Alok Sharma MP; President of the conference; and ask why vegan plant based is not the only food that will be available to COP26 delegates who attend.
At my request, my MP really has a duty now to contact Alok Sharma MP; COP26 Conference President; and ask for a formal response to my letter.
I will now sit and wait to see if anything arrives in the next few weeks; and will naturally let you know the result.
Regards Mark
Here below is a copy of my letter on behalf of WAV dated 8/10/21 to my MP:
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Adam;
The 26th Conference of the Parties (COP26) climate summit is now weeks away.
Alok Sharma MP is the President of this important conference.
Climate protesters know that fishing, meat, dairy, and egg industries are not only intensively cruel to animals but also cause catastrophic damage to the environment. For decades, the United Nations has identified animal agriculture as a leading cause of deforestation, pollution, ocean dead zones, habitat loss, species extinction, and zoonotic disease spread. The UN is calling for a climate tax on meat, and the Committee on Climate Change says people must reduce their meat and dairy consumption.
The science is more than clear: animal-derived foods have far bigger carbon footprints than plant-based alternatives. But is Alok Sharma, President of COP26 really clear on what is happening ?
Plant-based foods have a far smaller carbon footprint than their animal-derived equivalents. A switch to vegan eating can reduce food-related carbon emissions by 73%. Intensive meat farming / production methods are and have been causing massive destruction in the Amazon rainforest regions for example, part of the reason why we now are globally in such a mess.
The COP26 Climate Summit Should Set an Example; but does it through the policies of Alok Sharma ?
Given everything we now know about the devastating impact of animal agriculture on the environment, the Alok Sharma attitude of serving meat, dairy, or eggs at a climate change summit would be like distributing cigarettes at a health convention. Plants and plant based diets are the only way forward, and a vegan menu would not only allow attendees to experience the wonderful vegan options of today, but would also allow them (allegedly as environmentalists ?) to dine with a clear conscience and set an important example for the world to follow.
Given the vast availability of vegan food today, it would be easy for COP26 to create a delicious and sustainable plant-based menu that would impress delegates. Ensuring that all food served at COP26 is plant based would be a powerful way for the UK to show its commitment to action on the climate crisis while championing fresh British produce and British farming.
Only vegan food should be served at COP26.
Please write to Mr Sharma MP on my behalf and ask him why environmentally friendly vegan food is not being served at COP26.
Mr Sharma is not setting a good example by his current actions; which says does it not, that his Conservative government is great on the ‘talk the talk’ front, but lacking in the real action department.
I would be very interested to hear his reasons for, through his actions, of not supplying a plant based, environmentally friendly diet at a COP conference which will hopefully progress and get people AWAY from intensive animal agriculture, the basis of global forest destruction such as the Amazon.
Thank you
Mark Johnson
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Additional:
SAO PAULO, Oct 7 (Reuters) – Nearly a third of the cattle bought by JBS SA (JBSS3.SA) in the Brazilian Amazon state of Para came from ranches with “irregularities” such as illegal deforestation, prosecutors found in a 2020 audit of the world’s largest meatpacker released on Thursday.
Revealed: rampant deforestation of Amazon driven by global greed for meat | Brazil | The Guardian
Revealed: rampant deforestation of Amazon driven by global greed for meat
The cows grazed under the midday Amazon sun, near a wooden bridge spanning a river. It was an idyllic scene of pastoral quiet, occasionally broken by a motorbike growling on the dirt road that cuts through part of the Lagoa do Triunfo cattle farm to a nearby community.
But this pasture is land that the farm has been forbidden to use for cattle since 2010, when it was embargoed by Brazil’s government environment agency Ibama for illegal deforestation. Nearby were more signs of fresh pasture: short grass, feeding troughs, and salt for cattle.
The vast 145,000-hectare (358,302-acre) farm is one of several owned by the company AgroSB Agropecuária SA – known in the region as Santa Bárbara. Located in an environmentally protected area, Lagoa do Triunfo is more than 600km (372 miles) from the capital of the Amazon state of Pará on the western fringes of Brazil’s “agricultural frontier” – where farming eats into the rainforest. To get there takes hours of driving along dirt roads and a ferry ride from nearby São Félix do Xingu, a cattle town accessible only by plane until a few decades ago.
AgroSB supplies cattle to JBS, the world’s biggest meat packing company and single biggest supplier of beef, chicken and leather globally, with 350,000 customers in more than 150 countries.
Continue reading by clicking on the above link.
The Expansion of Intensive Beef Farming to the Brazilian Amazon – ScienceDirect
The State Hunting Association of Rhineland-Palatinate (a federal state in southwest Germany) opens a so-called wild boar gate, which is to be put into operation in March 2022.
“Hunting dogs” for wild boar hunting are trained in such gates: the dogs should learn to systematically track wild boars and drive them out of the undergrowth.
There are already seven wild boars in the practice gate, which the hunting association received from the wildlife park.
PETA sharply criticizes the wildlife park for handing over the wild animals to the facility that violates animal welfare: the wild boars have to endure attacks from their enemies again and again in a fenced-in area.
PETA calls on those in charge of the wildlife park to take back the wild boars and to guarantee them a safe and species-appropriate home until their natural end of life.
In addition, the animal rights organization advocates a ban on hunting wild boar.
“The keeping conditions in the countryside and the focus on native animal species in game and animal parks represent a deceptive idyll in big cities.
Because even in wildlife parks, animals are treated ruthlessly and with disdain for life.
It is disgusting that such a practice of arming hunting dogs on wildlife is knowingly encouraged in a wildlife park.” (PETA)
Exercise gates mean stress and suffering
According to PETA, wild boar exercise gates are incompatible with animal welfare because the wild boars there are exposed to constant stress and thus considerable suffering.
According to the Animal Welfare Act, it is therefore also forbidden to set one animal on another.
With one exception: The Animal Welfare Act is suspended in this area for hunting.
Apparently harmless-looking illustrative videos of the hunters do not reflect reality, in the opinion of PETA, because dogs often bite into wild animals in hunting practice.
For reasons of animal rights, work in the wild boar fence and “construction facilities” for foxes is clearly to be rejected.
It is a training method on live tame animals that eke out their lives in a gate and are killed after use or unsuitability.
Wild animals in such facilities experience new fear of death and stress with every training session.
What is meant by “species-appropriate care and animal welfare” in this context is hard to imagine.
In addition to the risk of being injured by a wild boar posing, there is also a high risk of dogs getting infected with the deadly virus of Aujetzky’s disease (pseudo-rage) during wild boar hunts and training in the wild boar gate!
In 2016 there were new cases of this epidemic in Germany.
Wild boar gates only attract problems.
Practice has shown that the most serious injuries to animals occur again and again during attacks in the gate – analogous to the construction facilities with the foxes. No fox leaves the construction facilities alive.
The hunt for wild boars is incredibly cruel, and serious violations of the animal welfare and hunting laws are known time and again.
In driven hunts, up to two thirds of the wounded animals do not die immediately, but drag themselves deeper into the forest with shot bones and bowels hanging out.
Often they die a slow, agonizing death after many hours or even days.
The exploitation of dogs for hunting is always associated with animal suffering.
The dogs are not only “trained” on living animals such as wild boars, foxes or ducks, but their own lives are also repeatedly jeopardized in dangerous missions.
Countless dogs are injured during the hunt.
Hobby hunters accept this and literally abuse the animals as hunting weapons.
Shocking recordings in March 2020 showed how a hobby hunter chased a dog on an injured and weakened wild boar and kept yelling at him to bite.
Only a few months earlier, an eyewitness filmed how several “hunting dogs” attacked and bit a wild boar for at least ten minutes – only then did a hobby hunter intervene.
We, from the blog “Wild beim Wild”, also reject the system because:
1. Means stress and risk of injury for wild boars and dogs.
2. Because the “Wild beim Wild” fundamentally finds the approach of such systems wrong and is convinced that driven hunts, with hunting dogs also cause hideous animal suffering due to the many missed shots.
And I mean…The renowned veterinarian Dr. Ralf Unna as a resident veterinarian with eight colleagues in a veterinary practice in Cologne says the following:
“I can tell you what dogs look like, what German hunting terriers look like that come out of a burrow alive.
If they come out alive, they are often badly battered
I can tell you of seven to eight fractures of the lower jaw that have to be wired, of animals that have multiple injuries to their forelegs and facial areas and that have to be cared for for weeks in order to survive at all.
That means, here is a clear violation of the Animal Welfare Act, a very clear one. “
To teach dogs to retrieve, the usual method is for hunters of a live duck to tape the wings or cuff them with paper so that the bird cannot fly away.
The duck is then released in the reeds of a body of water, where the dog is supposed to find it and bring it to the hunter.
The training method is only forbidden in Berlin.
We read on the hunter-friendly portal “Experience the Hunt”: ” According to the State Hunting Association, the gate was built according to the specifications of the Wild Boar Gate e.V. competence group and operated in accordance with animal welfare”.
The hunters have always been professional killers.
In order to sell their crimes against defenseless animals, they have to be also professional liars.
It is a shame for this country that politicians allow this pathetic minority of 0.45% of the population to determine nature conservation and that in our forests and wildlife parks takes place every day massive animal cruelty under the guise of hunting.
My best regards to all, Venus
With the animals onlooking, the joy over seeing these towers collapse was like nothing else. All shooters are bastards.
ALF.
Yes! we agree and we are also happy to see these murder towers in pieces
Thank you ALF!
regards to all, Venus
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